
For those of you who want to discuss more about classical fertility & embryology with Sabine Wilms & Yaron Seidman, please do so here, they are SUCH a great wealth of knowledge, one of the theoretical masters of our time.
check out these FANTASTIC articles attached below!
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Continue the conversation?
Hi you all out there,
This is new technology for me and I guess I am the first to post anything, unless I just can't see what anybody else has written. I would very much appreciate if those of you who had questions left after last weekend's brief seminar would post them here so I can either address them here via email or in the free 1-hr talk Spence is trying to schedule for this coming Monday. Go for it.... I know we completely ran out of time for me to respond to your comments and questions and I feel bad about that. That is usually the part that I so look forward to, but then it was all over, just like that. It was my first webinar and I have to learn the ropes better in terms of how to make room for true dialogue. I am really interested in your feedback, what you liked, what was obvious (the cultural background with the philosophy etc?), what was surprising to you, what made or didn't make sense from your own clinical experience, and the list goes on.
and lastly, I completely forgot to thank Lorne and Spence for making the whole thing possible by organizing the conference. It was a stretch for me to agree to talking into a computer but it was SO WORTH IT, especially if we can continue the conversation. I had fun and I hope you did too, and I am so grateful to Spence and Lorne for providing the space and technological skill to make this even possible. It was great to share, I just would like to know more about what all this means to you as practitioners.
Best to all and hopefully we shall "see" or hear or read each other again. And again, don't be shy in sending me suggestions and constructive criticism to improve the learning experience for you. I have a head full of weird information and want to share whatever it is that might make you a better CM practitioner...
Sabine
Sabine has a free 1 hr webinar monday feb 15
Make sure to check this out, she really wants it to be interactive so she wants people to ponder a few things before they come so they can contribute, as the CHAT should be a big part of this webinar.
Webinar is Feb 15th @ 6pm pacific time. Click this link for full info on the webinar, free and no registration required: http://www.healthstream.tv/tv/sun-simiao%E2%80%99s-concept-n...
Th following are the statements Sabine would like people to ponder before monday (and read her articles above, they are amazing if you treat women in your practice):
***What could an old hermit, busy picking mushrooms in the company of a tiger and dragon in the seventh century, possibly have to teach the modern practitioner on how to treat women's bodies in the 21st century?
***How can we even know what he thought about female bodies, what associations he had with things like menstruation, growing bellies in pregnancy, or infertility?
***Why and how did male literate physicians/authors even begin to consider women in their writing and from what angles?
***What, if any, were the clinical ramifications of these theories on women's lived experiences?
***And ultimately, to paraphrase a question by Yaron Seidman, if Sun Simiao was a true Daoist hermit, why did he write all this information down rather than disappear into the sunset like his predecessor Laozi?
Hi Everyone
I am a new member.Hope to share a good time.
Confucianism versus Daoism
Hi everyone,
March 8th I'll be giving a free webinar on the Fire God school and the use of Fu Zi, I won't be able to do it without first discussing a bit about Confucianism and Daoism, and why Sun Simiao was a Confucian in heart, while Zhang Zhongjing (who used a quote from Confucius in his intro to the Shang Han Lun) was actually a Daoist in heart.
Yaron Seidman DAOM
Http://www.ChineseClassics.org
Response to Yaron on Confucians vs. Daoists
Dear Yaron,
Can't wait to watch you on screen while I sit back and play with the dogs off-camera... You raise a great question here that I would love to address in greater detail, whether here or potentially in a live conversation. What do labels like "Daoist" and "Confucian" really mean and how do we know who these authors really were? Sun Simiao is celebrated as a Daoist hermit and deified as the "King of Medicines" 藥王 (how impressive, I was able to add characters to this chat! that made my day!) in China, but here you are calling him a Confucian. And I can't say I disagree with you! I can't wait to hear how you came to that conclusion. Anyway, the issue is related to the meaning of "nurturing life" (養生 yang sheng) or "macrobiotic hygiene", as some scholars translate it. What was the motivation for these authors to write/compile/produce medical texts? Where did their medical knowledge and insights come from? Clinical practice, philosophical contemplation, physical cultivation such as qi gong, an eremitic lifestyle in retreat from the human realm, religious Daoist visualization meditation, or just plain study of texts at their desks? Probably a combination of all of these. Since I encounter a lot of interest in Sun Simiao as a person and teach full-day seminars on him, I have been thinking a lot about his inspiration and sources of knowledge. I don't have a clear-cut answer, but will address some of these issues in my short discussion on Monday. I would be really interested in clinicians' responses to this issue on where medical skill and insights come from, because I think it is directly relevant to our practice today. Sorry for rambling...
Sabine
Looking for Feedback and Questions
Hi everybody,
In preparation for my short talk this coming Monday, I would like to encourage anybody to tell me here what they want me to focus on, what questions were left unanswered by my last seminar if you attended, and what they would like me to explore further, what was too simplistic and what went over your head. This is great technology but the problem I am having is that I was unable to judge the audience's response to what I was spouting out. I love to teach and I love the possibilities of this new medium so gracefully provided by the team at ProD, but I find myself hanging out there in virtual ether, not knowing what you all need. I am used to teaching in conversation and apologize that we didn't have more of that during the last webinar, but I am determined to do just that on Monday, i.e. make space for your responses. I have a head full of obscure information that is not published anywhere (not even in Chinese) but I would love to share, I just need to get a better sense of what you all need, want, and already know. This is a new medium and the way I see it, it is up to make it work any way we want. I see my role as a teacher not as someone who just provides neatly packaged canned information (you can get that from the articles attached to this discussion threat and my other publications) but as someone who engages in a conversation that stretches and enriches all of our minds.
For example, after the last webinar I had some great lightbulbs go on in my head, related to Yaron's question on why I love the classics. I went out in my orchard and looked at my irrigation ditches, all frozen up of course, but still, as I contemplated the layout of my land, the patterns of snow fall, ice buildup, chicken, duck, turkey, and geese tracks, and sleeping bees, I related them to the flow of qi in the human body and our efforts at manipulating that via acupuncture and moxibustion. I realized why I love irrigating and how much I learn from the "craft" of agriculture, whether irrigating or pruning apple trees or "midwifing" goats, and how more and more in my life, it does somehow meet up with my intellectual pursuits.
Another example, I was reading a book by Wendell Berry last night on the Great Economy (what he also calls the "Kingdom of God"), in terms of the aliveness and complexitiy of plain old top soil, versus the small economy, created by humans, centered around money. I struggle with this on a daily basis because I am not very good in the normal money economy and can sometimes feel like a complete failure, but when I look at my life in the larger context, it actually is beginning to make sense. I was so happy to read him explain from his Christian and agricultural background how we are all connected to and integrated into the macrocosm, in terms that Sun Simiao would have completely related to, how humans are just a part of the larger whole.
All right, now it's somebody else's turn...And I do want to make this conversation relevant not just to those of us "viejitos" (old guys, as my neighbors around here say) who have been thinking about this for many many years but also to people just starting out in CM with a fresh, clean mind. Spence mentioned how most people who get into CM do so from a sincere interest in the universe and in healing in all its ramifications. The last thing I want to do is talk over anybody's heads by getting too esoteric.
Sabine
Mencius
Sabine,
I think its just me and you here. I am also new to this way of teaching not seeing the student, and in the past when I taught I would always tune into the class, if its too fast I would slow down. With this new medium I think it is best to do as Mencius recommended:
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孟子曰:"大匠不為拙工改廢繩墨,羿不為拙射變其彀率。君子引而不發,躍如也。中道而立,能者從之。"
Mencius said, 'A great carpenter does not alter his marking line for sake of a poor craftsman. (The great archer of antiquity) Yi, for the sake of a clumsy archer, does not change the proportion of his drawing of the bow. The nobleman draws (the bow) but does not discharge (the arrow), and that's how he leaps (into achievement). He stands in the Dao of the center. The competent ones follow him.'
I know that people who come to watch this online classes are the competent ones,the best of the best, so I think its best to launch forward in full force.
Yaron Seidman DAOM Http://www.ChineseClassics.org
competence
But what is competence? One of my favorite students years ago at the Asian Institute of Medical Studies in Tucson was a lady who was a plant person. She struggled so hard with the academics and I believe in the end gave up on CM school, but she had this intuitive understanding of plants, macrocosmic connections, just a different angle on the whole thing, that unfortunately had no place in modern CM training but was such an invaluable asset to our class on History of Chinese Medicine. I just hope she found herself a personal mentor to study with and managed to continue her talent outside the narrow confines of modern American CM education.
agree
after speaking on the phone with few of the viewers of my past webinar, I got the impression that these practitioners do have the right craft for classical Chinese medicine, they do want to think out of the modern TCM box, which is so great!
Yaron Seidman DAOM Http://www.ChineseClassics.org
Fire Sage School and Fu Zi webinar
Hi everyone,
thanks for watching the webinar last night. This is a short reply to Lorne's good argument that a tree will survive the cold (of winter) and flourish again, but it will not survive fire (correct me Lorne if I didn't understand right).
In normal cold conditions, like in winter, the Yang energy goes inward into storage, it is cold outside but warm inside. Like at night when we sleep. If it becomes cold inside too, meaning no Yang energy inside or outside then the tree (or the person) is finished. The same is with fire, if it brings all the Yang energy outwards and nothing is left to anchor inside with the Yin then the tree (or the person) is finished. Supporting the Yang means knowing the methods (of using hot herbs) to guide the Yang inward back into its residence. Not knowing these methods and using hot herbs then the fire flares outwards, damaging the Yang (or Yin) inside. Not knowing these methods and using cold herbs to subdue fire outside, leads to the demise of Yang in storage. As if we would say that if a patient is hyper active during the day, lets ruin his sleep, under the wrong assumption that the more he sleeps the more active he'll be.
The essence of Chinese medicine treatment is allowing inappropriate fire to become appropriate and then life continues. The essence of the fire sage school.
Yaron Seidman
Hunyuan Research Institute for Chinese Classics
Appreciate your explanation Yaron
Hi Yaron,
Thanks for taking the time to comment here to answer my question from your TCM TV webinar.
I am looking forward to your 3 hour webinar on March 21st too. http://www.prodseminars.net/store/hunyuan-treating-infertili...
I reading through your book and will probably post some questions for you here too.
Lorne
www.acubalance.ca
www.prodseminars.com
webinar conversation tonight
Hi everybody,
Just in case anybody reads this before tonight's webinar, Z'ev Rosenberg and I will be having a conversation this evening about Sun Simiao (the 7th century hermit and author of the massive encyclopedia "Essential Prescriptions Worth a Thousand in Gold for Every Emergency"), about his contributions to medicine (with a focus on ethics, nurturing life, and possibly gynecology, if we find the time) and how they can be applied to modern clinical practice. We also want to address the general issue of what the classics mean in modern times and how to read them. It will be a CONVERSATION, so, like the last webinar I did, I am still trying to experiment with this webinar technology to make it as interactive as possible. Bring your questions, post them here in advance if you can or post them in the chat that goes on during the webinar. SPEAK UP! it is so much more fun when the webinar ends up being a two-way street instead of just a teacher saying what they believe to be true. Looking forward to it and thank you for the couple of people who have indeed posted here besides Yaron and me. And if Yaron is reading is and able to "attend" tonight, we will make sure he gets a chance to share some of his wonderful insights again!
Sincerely, Sabine
tonight's webinar
I am translating a segment from the Yi Fang today, what great stuff. See you tonight
Yaron Seidman
Hunyuan Research Institute for Chinese Classics
Tonight's webinar
Hello~I am a senior student of acupuncture in Ohio. Previously, I studied Western herbology and am fascinated by this amazing "herbal prophet". I' am hoping to learn as much as we can tonight about his methods as he experimented with the plants and other resources he found in nature and used in healing. I understand he would actually take all the herbs himself to get a first-hand experience of them. Bold!
Learning is a treasure that will follow its owner everywhere. ~Chinese Proverb